Let me just state that I think the Pacific Rim concept is great, as it adapts longstanding themes from Japanese tokusatsu shows, (like Ultraman) that I grew up with, however, after seeing the film and reading backstory, the treatment of its few female characters is not something I relate to.

(contains spoilers)

Each female character is only realized in relation to a male character. In the film we only have one female character of note, Mako Mori, who is held back from being a Jaeger pilot, despite training for years and being the most capable candidate

Mori is only allowed to fight due to the agency of Raleigh, at no time does she stand up for herself and demand better treatment, the training accident begins because Yancy recalls the death of his brother in battle, but Mori is the weaker of the two, as she falls into her memories of childhood trauma, which Raleigh has to pull her out of.

During battle Mori is capable but at the climax of the film, she faints due to lack of oxygen and has to be jettisoned in an escape pod by her male co-pilot.

What you didn’t see in the film - when Stacker Pentecost rescues Mako as a child, there is another pilot in the Jaeger, a female pilot, who has passed out, leaving him to pilot alone. (ah irony) The female pilot, Tamsin will later die of cancer, due to radiation poisoning in a hospital bed, while Stacker who is suffering the same aliment is allowed to sacrifice himself in battle.

The only other female in the film is Sasha, the Russian pilot, we only see a glimpse of her (in armor with boob plates) her co-pilot is her husband Alexis, and to all appearances, she and her partner are equal (with matching bleach blonde hair).

In the film crowd scenes in Scatterdome and among the techs and scientists, there are no women. Yet, in the graphic novel Year Zero, there is a female scientist (Caitlin Lightcap)

Caitlin Lightcap is inexorably linked to the scientist Jaspar Scoenfield - who created the Jaegers- because the two had an illicit affair when he was her older married professor. Jaspar convinces Caitlin he was never serious about their affair and asks her to join the Jaeger program for which she is overwhelmingly grateful.

Caitlin restarts her romance with Jaspar when they work together because Jaspar decides he missed her more than his now ex-wife, when Caitlin discovers a pilot Sergio, has feelings for her, Jaspar becomes jealous, to the point he puts the pilot in danger.

It is Lightcap’s attachment to Sergio that compels her take the leap to link with him in the ‘Drift’ so they pilot the Jaeger together, not her scientific acumen.

It then behooves Jaspar to break off their relationship - in affect, passing her over to another man - so Caitlin can be with Sergio (so much for Caitlin’s apparent growth and independence)

Jaspar is magnanimous enough at the end of the story to give her credit for her scientific discoveries, while at the same time negating them by making a reference to ‘Love’ being the real force that saved the day’.

The only independent female I can find in Year Zero is Luna Pentecost, who is the sister of Stacker, who quickly perishes in a Kaiju attack (you can see the half second moment in the film when a jet crashes into a Kaiju’s tail)

So, if the screenplay writer is listening, there are easy quick fixes to this problem, put more women in the story as capable professionals, (pilots, techs, scientists) to help solve problems - not as appendages only activated by male characters and discarded (by dying and passing out) when the focus shifts back to the male protagonists. If you had the relationship of the scientists as mentor-student without a sexual element, if you'd had a team of female pilots, females in the background, female friends of the male pilots (think of the relationships of the male and female soldiers in Aliens). Women are lovers, wives, sisters and daughters to male characters, but it doesn't need to be single-note confining as well as defining.

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Date: 2013-07-19 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earthspirits.livejournal.com
Meh, how disappointing!

I see way too much of this sort of thing in all sorts of films and television shows.

Gets old really fast.

Hollywood "blockbuster" films sadly do not seem to equal having the main heroic character be female. And sometimes even when the main character is female, she's still "defined" by how she relates to the male characters.

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Date: 2013-07-19 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karadin.livejournal.com
I honestly think if you sat the screenwriter down, he wouldn't get this until you pointed it out, his story doesn't have to change much, just tweak a bit to give the females their own impetus, ambition, not be dictated by the males in their life.

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Date: 2013-07-19 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
Well and truly said. I loved the movie and its world, but/and I am keeping your observations filed for if I write fic.

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Date: 2013-07-19 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karadin.livejournal.com
Yep, same here, I'm at the gallery framing a poster now, and plonked down for the hardcover book and toys. And the story didn't have to change much at all to include women, I don't even think the screenwriter would have guessed how his storytelling works to rob the females of their agency.

I'm fixing in my spn/pacific rim story by making quite a few teams of women pilots, tech, etc.

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Date: 2013-07-19 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bugeyedmonster.livejournal.com
Definitely re-blogging your posts about "Pacific Rim".

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Date: 2013-07-20 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karadin.livejournal.com
I think it's definately going to be a fun thing for fans to get into, it can easily adapt to other fan universes.

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Date: 2013-07-20 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bugeyedmonster.livejournal.com
Sort of like the Doctor Who fandom; it's like a little black dress. The Doctor can go anywhere in that black dress, uh, I mean TARDIS of his, so of course you can blend the Doctor into any fandom.

And of course, fans can 'fix' the inherit sexism in it as well. :D (^_~)!

PS Since I've been reading a lot of Avengers fanfic, I'm thinking that Tony was one of the engineers who worked on the Jaegars, at least until his death in one of the Kaiji attacks.

And why do I also want fanfic from the Kaiji POV. What do the Kaiji think of these upstart rodent parasites

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Date: 2013-07-20 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bugeyedmonster.livejournal.com
Well, darn... I'm using a new laptop and I'm not used to the new keyboard yet, plus I can't see the edit button. Grr

I was saying...

What the Kaiji think of these upstart rodent parasites living on the new planet their god(s) has/have given them?

What if the Kaiji believe in something akin to "Manifest Destiny" which in their minds, gives them the duty to eradicate 'lesser' lifeforms from planets they want to settle. I could see the 'older' Kaiji teaching the younger Kaiji (and clones) all about the faults of the dominant species on Earth. Though they don't call it Earth, they call it by its new Kaiji given name.

I also used to watch Stargate. I kept thinking that the way the Kaiji were getting to the land, that it sure looked like some sort of portal to me. (Never mind that the portal as done in Stargate would never really work.)

And the Kaiji cloning themselves... what legal status do the clones have in the Kaiji world.

PPS... Now I really want to see a good remake of Mothra, complete with those princesses who couldn't really sing. (Though when I was a kid, I never noticed their bad harmonies.) Except it should be updated a bit, and the princesses should be kickass.

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Date: 2013-07-20 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karadin.livejournal.com
Kaiju in japanese films aren't always bad, sometimes Gojira plays the hero.

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Date: 2013-07-20 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bugeyedmonster.livejournal.com
I couldn't remember who Gojira was. It's maybe 30 years since I last saw a Japanese monster movie. I had to go google that.

But I used to love Godzilla movies as a kid. I'd root for the monster, then go build myself a miniature city (Tokyo?) in my room and stomp it to pieces.

Right now I don't remember the plot of any of those monster movies. I so have to go watch them again.

All I remember right now is that the human characters were definitely boring, only the monsters were cool.

Hmm... would that be a plot point for a Pacific Rim 2? That some of the monsters are on our side?

And if Kaiji are capable of cloning themselves, doesn't that mean they have a pretty advanced science?

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Date: 2013-07-20 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karadin.livejournal.com
I guess they are already working on a sequel, though it seems to be a prequel would make more sense - if they closed the portal. But DelToro was talking about a Kaji-jaeger hybrid!

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Date: 2013-07-21 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bugeyedmonster.livejournal.com
Agreeing on the prequel.

But if the Kaiji are capable of cloning themselves, and adapting other Kaiji based on fighting Jaegers, then perhaps they know enough about science to open another portal. (Especially since the previous portal was keyed to Kaiji DNA.)

And do we really need a sequel?

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Date: 2013-07-21 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karadin.livejournal.com
well, it would be interesting to see if the race that developed the portal and cloned the monsters were the same, at the end we saw the smaller aliens, which was a direct nod to 'Independance Day' and that, not a fave film of mine in the least.

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Date: 2013-07-21 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bugeyedmonster.livejournal.com
I have not seen "Independence Day." So I missed that reference.

I had just assumed that the smaller aliens were related to the bigger aliens and were the same race. (Except perhaps they are super-seruming some aliens to go out and fight the Jaegers.)

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